diff --git a/biome.json b/biome.json
index 21b711f457..487165266a 100644
--- a/biome.json
+++ b/biome.json
@@ -14,7 +14,7 @@
 	},
 	"overrides": [
 		{
-			"include": ["*.vue"],
+			"include": ["*.vue", "packages/client/*.ts"],
 			"linter": {
 				"rules": {
 					"style": {
diff --git a/packages/backend/src/server/api/common/make-pagination-query.ts b/packages/backend/src/server/api/common/make-pagination-query.ts
index a2c3275693..83827b3df1 100644
--- a/packages/backend/src/server/api/common/make-pagination-query.ts
+++ b/packages/backend/src/server/api/common/make-pagination-query.ts
@@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
-import type { SelectQueryBuilder } from "typeorm";
+import type { ObjectLiteral, SelectQueryBuilder } from "typeorm";
 
-export function makePaginationQuery<T>(
+export function makePaginationQuery<T extends ObjectLiteral>(
 	q: SelectQueryBuilder<T>,
 	sinceId?: string,
 	untilId?: string,
diff --git a/packages/client/src/components/MkNoteDetailed.vue b/packages/client/src/components/MkNoteDetailed.vue
index 71e4aeb783..30f1af0829 100644
--- a/packages/client/src/components/MkNoteDetailed.vue
+++ b/packages/client/src/components/MkNoteDetailed.vue
@@ -33,7 +33,7 @@
 			@contextmenu.stop="onContextmenu"
 		></MkNote>
 
-		<MkTab v-model="tab" :style="'underline'" @update:modelValue="loadTab">
+		<MkTab v-model="tab" :style="'underline'">
 			<option value="replies">
 				<!-- <i :class="icon('ph-arrow-u-up-left')"></i> -->
 				{{
@@ -80,17 +80,22 @@
 			</option>
 		</MkTab>
 
-		<MkNoteSub
-			v-for="note in directReplies"
-			v-if="directReplies && tab === 'replies'"
-			:key="note.id"
-			:note="note"
-			class="reply"
-			:conversation="replies"
-			:detailed-view="true"
-			:parent-id="note.id"
-		/>
-		<MkLoading v-else-if="tab === 'replies' && note.repliesCount > 0" />
+		<MkPagination
+			ref="repliesPagingComponent"
+			v-if="tab === 'replies' && note.repliesCount > 0"
+			v-slot="{ items }"
+			:pagination="repliesPagination"
+		>
+			<MkNoteSub
+				v-for="note in items"
+				:key="note.id"
+				:note="note"
+				class="reply"
+				:auto-conversation="true"
+				:detailed-view="true"
+				:parent-id="note.id"
+			/>
+		</MkPagination>
 
 		<MkPagination
 			v-if="tab === 'quotes'"
@@ -102,7 +107,7 @@
 				:key="note.id"
 				:note="note"
 				class="reply"
-				:conversation="items"
+				:auto-conversation="true"
 				:detailed-view="true"
 				:parent-id="note.id"
 			/>
@@ -167,8 +172,8 @@
 </template>
 
 <script lang="ts" setup>
-import { onMounted, onUnmounted, onUpdated, ref } from "vue";
-import type { StreamTypes, entities } from "firefish-js";
+import { onMounted, onUpdated, ref } from "vue";
+import type { entities } from "firefish-js";
 import MkTab from "@/components/MkTab.vue";
 import MkNote from "@/components/MkNote.vue";
 import MkNoteSub from "@/components/MkNoteSub.vue";
@@ -186,8 +191,9 @@ import { i18n } from "@/i18n";
 import { getNoteMenu } from "@/scripts/get-note-menu";
 import { useNoteCapture } from "@/scripts/use-note-capture";
 import { deepClone } from "@/scripts/clone";
-import { useStream } from "@/stream";
-import MkPagination, { Paging } from "@/components/MkPagination.vue";
+import MkPagination, {
+	type MkPaginationType,
+} from "@/components/MkPagination.vue";
 // import icon from "@/scripts/icon";
 
 const props = defineProps<{
@@ -195,8 +201,6 @@ const props = defineProps<{
 	pinned?: boolean;
 }>();
 
-const stream = useStream();
-
 const tab = ref("replies");
 
 const note = ref(deepClone(props.note));
@@ -227,6 +231,10 @@ if (noteViewInterruptors.length > 0) {
 	});
 }
 
+const repliesPagingComponent = ref<MkPaginationType<"notes/replies"> | null>(
+	null,
+);
+
 const el = ref<HTMLElement | null>(null);
 const noteEl = ref();
 const menuButton = ref<HTMLElement>();
@@ -245,9 +253,6 @@ const muted = ref(
 const translation = ref(null);
 const translating = ref(false);
 const conversation = ref<null | entities.Note[]>([]);
-const replies = ref<entities.Note[]>([]);
-const directReplies = ref<null | entities.Note[]>([]);
-const directQuotes = ref<null | entities.Note[]>([]);
 const clips = ref();
 const isRenote = ref(note.value.renoteId != null);
 let isScrolling: boolean;
@@ -270,6 +275,10 @@ useNoteCapture({
 	rootEl: el,
 	note,
 	isDeletedRef: isDeleted,
+	onReplied: (replyNote) => {
+		note.value.repliesCount += 1;
+		repliesPagingComponent.value?.append(replyNote);
+	},
 });
 
 function reply(_viaKeyboard = false): void {
@@ -358,32 +367,6 @@ function blur() {
 	noteEl.value.blur();
 }
 
-directReplies.value = null;
-os.api("notes/children", {
-	noteId: note.value.id,
-	limit: 30,
-	depth: 12,
-}).then((res) => {
-	// biome-ignore lint/style/noParameterAssign: assign it intentially
-	res = res
-		.filter((n) => n.userId !== note.value.userId)
-		.reverse()
-		.concat(res.filter((n) => n.userId === note.value.userId));
-	// res = res.reduce((acc: entities.Note[], resNote) => {
-	// 	if (resNote.userId === note.value.userId) {
-	// 		return [...acc, resNote];
-	// 	}
-	// 	return [resNote, ...acc];
-	// }, []);
-	replies.value = res;
-	directReplies.value = res
-		.filter((resNote) => resNote.replyId === note.value.id)
-		.reverse();
-	directQuotes.value = res.filter(
-		(resNote) => resNote.renoteId === note.value.id,
-	);
-});
-
 conversation.value = null;
 if (note.value.replyId) {
 	os.api("notes/conversation", {
@@ -402,6 +385,15 @@ os.api("notes/clips", {
 	clips.value = res;
 });
 
+const repliesPagination = {
+	endpoint: "notes/replies" as const,
+	limit: 10,
+	params: {
+		noteId: note.value.id,
+	},
+	ascending: true,
+};
+
 const renotePagination = {
 	endpoint: "notes/renotes" as const,
 	limit: 30,
@@ -419,68 +411,11 @@ const quotePagination = {
 	},
 };
 
-function loadTab() {
-	// if (tab.value === "renotes" && !renotes.value) {
-	// 	os.api("notes/renotes", {
-	// 		noteId: note.value.id,
-	// 		limit: 100,
-	// 	}).then((res) => {
-	// 		renotes.value = res;
-	// 	});
-	// }
-}
-
-async function onNoteUpdated(
-	noteData: StreamTypes.NoteUpdatedEvent,
-): Promise<void> {
-	const { type, id, body } = noteData;
-
-	let found = -1;
-	if (id === note.value.id) {
-		found = 0;
-	} else {
-		for (let i = 0; i < replies.value.length; i++) {
-			const reply = replies.value[i];
-			if (reply.id === id) {
-				found = i + 1;
-				break;
-			}
-		}
-	}
-
-	if (found === -1) {
-		return;
-	}
-
-	switch (type) {
-		case "replied": {
-			const { id: createdId } = body;
-			const replyNote = await os.api("notes/show", {
-				noteId: createdId,
-			});
-
-			replies.value.splice(found, 0, replyNote);
-			if (found === 0) {
-				directReplies.value!.push(replyNote);
-			}
-			break;
-		}
-		case "deleted":
-			if (found === 0) {
-				isDeleted.value = true;
-			} else {
-				replies.value.splice(found - 1, 1);
-			}
-			break;
-	}
-}
-
 document.addEventListener("wheel", () => {
 	isScrolling = true;
 });
 
 onMounted(() => {
-	stream.on("noteUpdated", onNoteUpdated);
 	isScrolling = false;
 	noteEl.value.scrollIntoView();
 });
@@ -493,10 +428,6 @@ onUpdated(() => {
 		}
 	}
 });
-
-onUnmounted(() => {
-	stream.off("noteUpdated", onNoteUpdated);
-});
 </script>
 
 <style lang="scss" scoped>
diff --git a/packages/client/src/components/MkNoteSub.vue b/packages/client/src/components/MkNoteSub.vue
index c7cf06d2e5..a71580c0be 100644
--- a/packages/client/src/components/MkNoteSub.vue
+++ b/packages/client/src/components/MkNoteSub.vue
@@ -22,7 +22,7 @@
 			<div class="avatar-container">
 				<MkAvatar class="avatar" :user="appearNote.user" />
 				<div
-					v-if="!conversation || replies.length > 0"
+					v-if="conversation == null || replies.length > 0"
 					class="line"
 				></div>
 			</div>
@@ -148,20 +148,31 @@
 				</footer>
 			</div>
 		</div>
-		<template v-if="conversation">
-			<MkNoteSub
-				v-for="reply in replies"
-				v-if="replyLevel < 11 && depth < 5"
-				:key="reply.id"
-				:note="reply"
-				class="reply"
-				:class="{ single: replies.length == 1 }"
-				:conversation="conversation"
-				:depth="replies.length == 1 ? depth : depth + 1"
-				:reply-level="replyLevel + 1"
-				:parent-id="appearNote.id"
-				:detailed-view="detailedView"
-			/>
+		<MkLoading v-if="conversationLoading" />
+		<template v-else-if="conversation">
+			<template
+				v-if="replyLevel < REPLY_LEVEL_UPPERBOUND && depth < DEPTH_UPPERBOUND"
+			>
+				<MkNoteSub
+					v-for="reply in replies.slice(0, REPLIES_LIMIT)"
+					:key="reply.id"
+					:note="reply"
+					class="reply"
+					:class="{ single: replies.length == 1 }"
+					:conversation="conversation"
+					:depth="replies.length == 1 ? depth : depth + 1"
+					:reply-level="replyLevel + 1"
+					:parent-id="appearNote.id"
+					:detailed-view="detailedView"
+				/>
+				<div v-if="hasMoreReplies" class="more">
+					<div class="line"></div>
+					<MkA class="text _link" :to="notePage(note)"
+						>{{ i18n.ts.continueThread }}
+						<i :class="icon('ph-caret-double-right')"></i
+					></MkA>
+				</div>
+			</template>
 			<div v-else-if="replies.length > 0" class="more">
 				<div class="line"></div>
 				<MkA class="text _link" :to="notePage(note)"
@@ -190,7 +201,7 @@
 </template>
 
 <script lang="ts" setup>
-import { computed, inject, ref } from "vue";
+import { computed, inject, ref, watch } from "vue";
 import type { Ref } from "vue";
 import type { entities } from "firefish-js";
 import XNoteHeader from "@/components/MkNoteHeader.vue";
@@ -221,13 +232,17 @@ import type { NoteTranslation } from "@/types/note";
 
 const router = useRouter();
 
+const REPLIES_LIMIT = 10;
+const REPLY_LEVEL_UPPERBOUND = 11;
+const DEPTH_UPPERBOUND = 5;
+
 const props = withDefaults(
 	defineProps<{
 		note: entities.Note;
 		conversation?: entities.Note[];
-		parentId?;
-		detailedView?;
-
+		autoConversation?: boolean;
+		parentId?: string;
+		detailedView?: boolean;
 		// how many notes are in between this one and the note being viewed in detail
 		depth?: number;
 		// the actual reply level of this note within the conversation thread
@@ -251,6 +266,44 @@ const softMuteReasonI18nSrc = (what?: string) => {
 	return i18n.ts.userSaysSomething;
 };
 
+const conversation = ref(props.conversation);
+const conversationLoading = ref(false);
+const replies = ref<entities.Note[]>([]);
+const hasMoreReplies = ref(false);
+
+function updateReplies() {
+	replies.value = (conversation.value ?? [])
+		.filter(
+			(item) =>
+				item.replyId === props.note.id || item.renoteId === props.note.id,
+		)
+		.reverse();
+	hasMoreReplies.value = replies.value.length >= REPLIES_LIMIT + 1;
+}
+
+watch(conversation, updateReplies, {
+	immediate: true,
+});
+
+if (props.autoConversation) {
+	if (note.value.repliesCount > 0 || note.value.renoteCount > 0) {
+		conversationLoading.value = true;
+		os.api("notes/children", {
+			noteId: note.value.id,
+			limit: REPLIES_LIMIT + 1,
+			depth: REPLY_LEVEL_UPPERBOUND + 1,
+		}).then((res) => {
+			conversation.value = res
+				.filter((n) => n.userId !== note.value.userId)
+				.reverse()
+				.concat(res.filter((n) => n.userId === note.value.userId));
+			conversationLoading.value = false;
+		});
+	} else {
+		conversation.value = [];
+	}
+}
+
 const isRenote =
 	note.value.renote != null &&
 	note.value.text == null &&
@@ -277,13 +330,6 @@ const muted = ref(
 );
 const translation = ref<NoteTranslation | null>(null);
 const translating = ref(false);
-const replies: entities.Note[] =
-	props.conversation
-		?.filter(
-			(item) =>
-				item.replyId === props.note.id || item.renoteId === props.note.id,
-		)
-		.reverse() ?? [];
 const enableEmojiReactions = defaultStore.state.enableEmojiReactions;
 const expandOnNoteClick = defaultStore.state.expandOnNoteClick;
 const lang = localStorage.getItem("lang");
@@ -329,6 +375,11 @@ useNoteCapture({
 	rootEl: el,
 	note: appearNote,
 	isDeletedRef: isDeleted,
+	onReplied: (note) => {
+		if (hasMoreReplies.value === false) {
+			conversation.value = (conversation.value ?? []).concat([note]);
+		}
+	},
 });
 
 function reply(_viaKeyboard = false): void {
diff --git a/packages/client/src/components/MkPagination.vue b/packages/client/src/components/MkPagination.vue
index 03a1f0e35f..2f092cb8ad 100644
--- a/packages/client/src/components/MkPagination.vue
+++ b/packages/client/src/components/MkPagination.vue
@@ -68,7 +68,15 @@
 
 <script lang="ts" setup generic="E extends PagingKey">
 import type { ComponentPublicInstance, ComputedRef } from "vue";
-import { computed, isRef, onActivated, onDeactivated, ref, watch } from "vue";
+import {
+	computed,
+	isRef,
+	onActivated,
+	onDeactivated,
+	ref,
+	unref,
+	watch,
+} from "vue";
 import type { Endpoints, TypeUtils } from "firefish-js";
 import * as os from "@/os";
 import {
@@ -122,6 +130,12 @@ export interface Paging<E extends PagingKey = PagingKey> {
 	 */
 	reversed?: boolean;
 
+	/**
+	 * For not-reversed, not-offsetMode,
+	 * Sort by id in ascending order
+	 */
+	ascending?: boolean;
+
 	offsetMode?: boolean;
 }
 
@@ -169,17 +183,19 @@ const init = async (): Promise<void> => {
 	queue.value = [];
 	fetching.value = true;
 
-	const params = props.pagination.params
-		? isRef<Param>(props.pagination.params)
-			? props.pagination.params.value
-			: props.pagination.params
-		: {};
+	const params = props.pagination.params ? unref(props.pagination.params) : {};
 	await os
 		.api(props.pagination.endpoint, {
 			...params,
 			limit: props.pagination.noPaging
 				? props.pagination.limit || 10
 				: (props.pagination.limit || 10) + 1,
+			...(props.pagination.ascending
+				? {
+						// An initial value smaller than all possible ids must be filled in here.
+						sinceId: "0",
+					}
+				: {}),
 		})
 		.then(
 			(res: Item[]) => {
@@ -196,10 +212,10 @@ const init = async (): Promise<void> => {
 					res.length > (props.pagination.limit || 10)
 				) {
 					res.pop();
-					items.value = props.pagination.reversed ? [...res].reverse() : res;
+					items.value = props.pagination.reversed ? res.toReversed() : res;
 					more.value = true;
 				} else {
-					items.value = props.pagination.reversed ? [...res].reverse() : res;
+					items.value = props.pagination.reversed ? res.toReversed() : res;
 					more.value = false;
 				}
 				offset.value = res.length;
@@ -219,11 +235,7 @@ const reload = (): Promise<void> => {
 };
 
 const refresh = async (): Promise<void> => {
-	const params = props.pagination.params
-		? isRef<Param>(props.pagination.params)
-			? props.pagination.params.value
-			: props.pagination.params
-		: {};
+	const params = props.pagination.params ? unref(props.pagination.params) : {};
 	await os
 		.api(props.pagination.endpoint, {
 			...params,
@@ -269,11 +281,7 @@ const fetchMore = async (): Promise<void> => {
 		return;
 	moreFetching.value = true;
 	backed.value = true;
-	const params = props.pagination.params
-		? isRef<Param>(props.pagination.params)
-			? props.pagination.params.value
-			: props.pagination.params
-		: {};
+	const params = props.pagination.params ? unref(props.pagination.params) : {};
 	await os
 		.api(props.pagination.endpoint, {
 			...params,
@@ -286,9 +294,13 @@ const fetchMore = async (): Promise<void> => {
 					? {
 							sinceId: items.value[0].id,
 						}
-					: {
-							untilId: items.value[items.value.length - 1].id,
-						}),
+					: props.pagination.ascending
+						? {
+								sinceId: items.value[items.value.length - 1].id,
+							}
+						: {
+								untilId: items.value[items.value.length - 1].id,
+							}),
 		})
 		.then(
 			(res: Item[]) => {
@@ -303,12 +315,12 @@ const fetchMore = async (): Promise<void> => {
 				if (res.length > SECOND_FETCH_LIMIT) {
 					res.pop();
 					items.value = props.pagination.reversed
-						? [...res].reverse().concat(items.value)
+						? res.toReversed().concat(items.value)
 						: items.value.concat(res);
 					more.value = true;
 				} else {
 					items.value = props.pagination.reversed
-						? [...res].reverse().concat(items.value)
+						? res.toReversed().concat(items.value)
 						: items.value.concat(res);
 					more.value = false;
 				}
@@ -330,11 +342,7 @@ const fetchMoreAhead = async (): Promise<void> => {
 	)
 		return;
 	moreFetching.value = true;
-	const params = props.pagination.params
-		? isRef<Param>(props.pagination.params)
-			? props.pagination.params.value
-			: props.pagination.params
-		: {};
+	const params = props.pagination.params ? unref(props.pagination.params) : {};
 	await os
 		.api(props.pagination.endpoint, {
 			...params,
@@ -356,12 +364,12 @@ const fetchMoreAhead = async (): Promise<void> => {
 				if (res.length > SECOND_FETCH_LIMIT) {
 					res.pop();
 					items.value = props.pagination.reversed
-						? [...res].reverse().concat(items.value)
+						? res.toReversed().concat(items.value)
 						: items.value.concat(res);
 					more.value = true;
 				} else {
 					items.value = props.pagination.reversed
-						? [...res].reverse().concat(items.value)
+						? res.toReversed().concat(items.value)
 						: items.value.concat(res);
 					more.value = false;
 				}
diff --git a/packages/client/src/scripts/use-note-capture.ts b/packages/client/src/scripts/use-note-capture.ts
index 1bc32d5246..2d0a203fa7 100644
--- a/packages/client/src/scripts/use-note-capture.ts
+++ b/packages/client/src/scripts/use-note-capture.ts
@@ -9,6 +9,7 @@ export function useNoteCapture(props: {
 	rootEl: Ref<HTMLElement | null>;
 	note: Ref<entities.Note>;
 	isDeletedRef: Ref<boolean>;
+	onReplied?: (note: entities.Note) => void;
 }) {
 	const note = props.note;
 	const connection = isSignedIn ? useStream() : null;
@@ -19,6 +20,16 @@ export function useNoteCapture(props: {
 		if (id !== note.value.id) return;
 
 		switch (type) {
+			case "replied": {
+				if (props.onReplied) {
+					const { id: createdId } = body;
+					const replyNote = await os.api("notes/show", {
+						noteId: createdId,
+					});
+					props.onReplied(replyNote);
+				}
+				break;
+			}
 			case "reacted": {
 				const reaction = body.reaction;
 
@@ -34,7 +45,7 @@ export function useNoteCapture(props: {
 
 				note.value.reactions[reaction] = currentCount + 1;
 
-				if (isSignedIn && body.userId === me.id) {
+				if (isSignedIn && body.userId === me!.id) {
 					note.value.myReaction = reaction;
 				}
 				break;
@@ -48,7 +59,7 @@ export function useNoteCapture(props: {
 
 				note.value.reactions[reaction] = Math.max(0, currentCount - 1);
 
-				if (isSignedIn && body.userId === me.id) {
+				if (isSignedIn && body.userId === me!.id) {
 					note.value.myReaction = undefined;
 				}
 				break;
@@ -62,7 +73,7 @@ export function useNoteCapture(props: {
 					choices[choice] = {
 						...choices[choice],
 						votes: choices[choice].votes + 1,
-						...(isSignedIn && body.userId === me.id
+						...(isSignedIn && body.userId === me!.id
 							? {
 									isVoted: true,
 								}